Logistics [IC]

Editors note: This article was copied with permission from the author. The original can be found at this excellent blog. If you’re after a more serious and indepth look at logistics you can find one here. But I think an IC post makes a nice change in an otherwise dull website.

Mindful of  his promises he called Kaylaigh to come visit and set up a small display for the next chat.  He also laid out some food and made a large pot of coffee.  Well, he thought about that, give him some credit.  The coffee shop delivered and he was very thankful that they did so.

“Well,” he said once the niceties were done with. “Today I thought we might talk about logistics, or Logis as some call them.”

“These will get picked up for fleets?”

“Well, there is always the chance that either no fleets are forming or that they already have pilots but yeah.  If I really want work then I bring a logi.  I flew one earlier this evening, just to make sure of some last minute details and to take some notes for you.  Now, let us start at the beginning and then go on towards the end.”

K smiled and leaned back, letting the ‘professor’ side of Mikes personality take the stage.

“Fittings come first, along with training.  It don’t take a ton of skills to fly a logi but ya do need ta be at least logi IV and preferably V, just for the best use of power and fittings.  I expect someone could plug a fitting like this one… “  He keyed up a ship fitting for a Basilisk

[Basilisk, Mike]

4x Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
2x Large Partial E95c Power Conduit

2x Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Remote Sensor Booster I

Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

5x Light Shield Maintenance Bot I

“Now understand a few tings.  One: This is what I fly because I am only logistics IV in training.  This ship would go POP in a mothership fleet if it caught the wrong attention.  For that size battle you need to drop the Sebo (sensor booster) and add in another large shield extender.  There are references for this sort of fitting advice specific to motherships but y’all can take my word for it.  Sometimes I will have mining drones if we need a bit of extra ore ta help slow down the Sansha.”

Kaylaigh downloaded the fit and nodded.  “I thought you flew Scimitars?”

“I did, I think they look prettier but once I saw how well a team of Basi’s support each other I took utility over looks.  Not that Scimi’s aren’t used, just Basi’s do better as a team and cap no longer is an issue.  Vanguard fleets are the best and they use two to three basis.”

“If two works why would anybody want three?”

“Redundancy, spare cap for other ships that eat a lot of power.  Nothing worse than being jammed as a Basi and watching a fleet die.  It is the main reason Niarjas and Arnons are primary anytime they appear on the field.”  Mike tapped a control.  ‘This is what a basic Scimi fit looks like.”

[Scimitar, Mike]

4x Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

2x Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
2x Cap Recharger II

3x Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II

2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I

5x Light Shield Maintenance Bot I

“The problem is, unless you got a lot of training that sucker is not stable and will run out of juice right quick, so while having four reppers looks good, you cannot really use them without a lot more training.  This is why most folks prefer to see Basis.  The same story goes for the armor side.  Guardians can cap chain and so they are preferred over the Oneiros.  It all comes down to the fleet being a unified whole.  Here are the armor logis”  He tapped another key.

[Guardian, Mike]

4x Large ‘Solace’ I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
2x Large ‘Regard’ I Power Projector

Remote Sensor Booster I
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I

Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener
Armor EM Hardener II
Energized Basic Adaptive Nano Plating

Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

5x Light Armor Maintenance Bot I

[Oneiros, oh no]

4x Large ‘Arup’ I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

4x Cap Recharger II
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I

Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Power Diagnostic System II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

2x Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I

5x Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I

“Now you notice that I don’t have any speed in these.  You are usually just flying around an anchor and so you are not called upon to git anywhere fast.  It’s better to use the mids for Sebos or other stuff that will help.”

“Target painters?”

“No.  The last ting you want to be doing is targeting the enemy, might accidentally rep them . . . that is considered a ‘bad ting’.  Now one special ting you should know is these are considered starter fits.  A couple of days with good fleets and a lot of the modules are gonna be upgraded ta ‘Imperial Navy’ or some other more expensive type.”

“That could be expensive.”

“Get in a good fleet . . . hell even get in an average fleet and you will haul down a lot of ISK.  You can pay for the ship and fittings in a trio of hours and you can be pimping it out right quick if you know what you are doing.  While I was running the practice last night we were averaging about 9.8 mill every 12 minutes.  We woulda been faster but there was competition for some sites.”


“Ah, now that brings us to the more important part of this lil chat . . . the flying part.”  Mike poured a fresh coffee.  “This is more important than this fitting or that.  A good ship is worthless if the person in the pod doesn’t know how ta use it.  Worse, if it is a logi it may cost a fleet a lot more than just one ship, a “failcascade” is a horrible thing to see.  I asked, last night, what folks wanted to see in a logi pilot.  The FC, Rasmyster, was kind enough to take us to a planetary orbit just so folks could answer a few questions for me.  The first answer they gave was they want a logi pilot with good reactions.”


Mike chuckled.  “I’ll get there.  So you gots a good ship, and the skills to fly it.  Now what?  You go looking for an incursion usin the neocomm.  (Journal->Incursion->Global Report)  You fly into the area in your shiny new ship and a new channel automatically.  Me I only look at that one occasionally . . . I always go to “BTL PUB” first.  The folks there seem to be serious about their shield fleets and I find regulars I can trust.”

“What about Armor?”

“I use “The Ditanian Fleet” channel for that.  I also have a time zone specific channel I keep to, just so I find folks who play the same time I do.  So you want to be in a fleet.  If you are lucky there will be folks begging for logis almost as soon as you arrive.  If not, then you put out a call. You put the word out by posting {x} {Logi} {fit} {where the incursion is} so I put out ‘x Logi, ThereThere, Caldari incursion’  Now you may think that a vanguard fleet only uses two or three logis, not gonna be a lot of openings.  But the fleet lives and dies by its logis so if one goes away the whole group is looking for a replacement.


X is an old custom of indicating you want to join something, I have no idea where it comes from. Once someone gives me an invite, I always join voice comms and also ask where the rally is.”


“Yah, where the fleet currently is flying or meeting up.  I get told and I tell them how far away I am and get my ass moving.  If they are waiting for me then I am costing them isk every extra minute it takes.  I make sure my settings on the overview are proper as I get there.  I’ll talk about overview another time if you want.  But once I get there, if they are on a gate I find out who the other logis are.  If there is just one other I make sure we have the caps set and that he or she is on the top of my watch list.  If there are two others then we set a ‘one up one down cap chain’ and make sure everybody knows where things are going.”

“Is watch list important?  Can’t you just watch for calls for reps?”

Mike shook his head.  “Used to be like that.  That is now what those guys meant by ‘good reflexes’.  Before people even notice that they are taking damage we have them targeted and shields flowing downstream.  Once the logis are on the top of the list I will set the anchor to the next spot and then fill the rest of the list with the rest of the squad.  Nice thing about Vanguard sites is that a normal size fleet will fit on your watch list so you can see everything that is happening.  As soon as someone flashes red you know they are taking incoming fire and act accordingly.”  Mike sipped his coffee.  “I have been in a fleet where there was not a single ‘call for reps’ because the logis were that damn good. You should always broadcast for reps, but it’s rarely needed in Vanguards.”  Mike looked in the distance.  “I have also been in fleet where the sky became littered with the wreckage of Basilisks one after another . . . ”


Mike shook his head.  “We were still learning and the escorts of a sansha mothership are very organized.  The alpha strike of them is scary.  Let’s see what else . . . ah, drones.  If they are out and about, keep them on a short leash and do not let them chase someone halfway across the stars.  Be ready to call them back as a site ends or they will be left behind if the FC is doing fleet warps.  Align when commanded and know the order of entry for a gate so you are neither first nor last in.  I like to put an ‘L’ up in comms to indicate that I am ready to go.  If an FC sees all the logis do the same then it saves some steps and double checking.”

“You make it sound like a lot of work.”

“A logi pilot needs to be awake, adaptable, skilled and watchful . . . he cannot leave the guns on automatic and step away ‘for a moment’.  If he wavers, there is a chance someone will die.  Given how most of the fleets are fitted out, that is not a small thing.”

“If it so hard . . .why do you do it?”

“Somebody has to.  I told you, without the logis whole fleets sit idle.  Without us the Sansha gain ground.  We aren’t flying the sexy ships . . . but we are needed.  It takes some skill, some training and a lot of patience.  I have seen a dps pilot shirk his duty.  Sometimes it takes a pair of sites for anybody to notice.  A logi pilot goofs off for one minute and there is hell to pay.  Now I have an appointment with a fleet to keep . . . what do you want me to get ready ta show ya next time?”



Seriously, if this is at all helpful . . . great.  If it sucks, let me know how I can make it suck less.

fly it like you won it

Mike Azariah

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4 Responses to Logistics [IC]

  1. Kullen says:

    Very nicely writened and fun

  2. ral grad says:

    nice guide but a few adjustments:
    armor logis should fit 1600mm plates and for logis it can be good to fit an ab if you do NMCs to drop the ore
    if you are not stable with that scimi fit dont use it … 3 large reps and one med can still be stable if fitted right i think.

  3. Smagd says:

    Maybe worth adding Multitasking skill to the recommendation, since locking a whole VG squad takes that and it’s got a fairly steep prerequisite only Logistics pilots would normally skill: Targeting 5.

  4. Firartix says:

    This guy makes it looks like he got lots of experience, but he says he got logi IV, and it if the text was meant as a tutorial, it sure doesnt look like to me

    Here are a few points:
    – Targeting skills – even if it’s not vital (i learnt logi’ing with 4 targets in C6, where if you dont rep a guy he goes down in 3-4 volley. very, very good training)
    – Logi V fits, cuz Logi V is awesum (protip: Logi V gives you 65% more efficiency), and those fits got just so many capchargers
    – “Nice thing about Vanguard sites is that a normal size fleet will fit on your watch list” => or in your target list. Personally i put Logis/Anchors for easy access, and keep rest locked in VG or watch for broadcasts in assault.
    – “Can’t you just watch for calls for reps?” => sure you can. Also you can do it the wormhole way, and watch for shots/missiles trajectory to know of who’s primaried in advance. Scrambbling messages works too
    – Always was told ECCM was useless in Incs. I’m an Incs noob though, so really, i dont know.
    – No AB? Even with anchor, and on plated guardians, orbit 5km and AB does it fine. Aggro is splited so you often take aggro without webs.

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